Lunar Space Elevator / ME-L1.1 Tether Dipole Powered Elevator

This is where space travel that in need of shielding, as well as energy, becomes relatively moon dirt cheap, especially if such is accomplished by way of that bone dry clumping varity of moon dirt that's oddly become retro-reflective as well as containing the likes of He3

by; Brad Guth / GASA~IEIS     updated: June 25, 2003

Gravity-Well Space Elevator of the Moon and Earth;
affords 1e6 m3 of ISS abode within a truly massive CM/ISS borg like sphere


A somewhat older page on this topic of establishing such a Lunar Space Elevator has also been greatly improved, though hopefully this page edit provides another offering of fewer words, plus lots more raw information this time around, though there's always going to be those pesky corrections and, more than likely additional weird notions, such as utilizing a tether dipole for extracting rather considerable amounts of electromagnetic, or lunar recession energy, as well as for whatever solar plasma infused energy extracted out of open space, as for possibly having this dipole element reaching all the way into our Van Allen zone of death, thereby obtaining far more than you or I can possibly shake another one of those flaming sticks at.

As for those LSE-CM/ISS or GMDE considerations, the Lunar Space Elevator with it's primary Counter Mass and Counter Counter Mass, plus those massive counter-rotating flywheels situated in between, an associated ISS within a sphere of what is offering mostly a safety surround of lunar basalt has been one of my ongoing efforts at giving this topic a touch of sanity, as opposed to those folks snookering us about their getting away with some form of ESE (Earth Space Elevator) as for non human transport needs. Or on the other hand, if you're Mr. negative, as in against essentially everything under the sun if it's not of your idea and/or against anything that reflects poorly upon your NASA/Apollo ruse of the century, then obviously you're not going to understand one word of what I'm offering, so there's no further point in your wasting valuable time in trying to figure any of this out, as such you should instead go fishing, or how about concentrate upon cloning another borg for your replacement.

Since the ESE is still requiring rocket delivery of persons into space, and as well as for the larger tonnage of items which even the largest of proposed ESE isn't suited, and since said rocket deliveries will soon manage as little as 24 hour delivery as for orbiting the moon, and of such establishing a stationary holding position, whereas having a LSE with the CM/ISS situated just outside of the lunar nullification point (gravity-well) is where the human portions of any given mission takes on the added safety and resources of what the LSE-CM/ISS and that of the moon itself has to offer. Staying onboard and thereby within the CM/ISS would be far safer than being associated with the lunar surface, as you'd be safely surrounded by thousands if not actually millions of tonnes worth of moon dirt and rock, thus as safe as for otherwise being deep underground.

BTW; once established, there is no limitations as to the size and mass of the CM/ISS, as in addition to the CM/ISS placement there is the interactive compensation by way of the CCM placement and/or of the amount of dipole termination mass, and/or simply various extensions of the extended tether dipole element will also regulate whatever is necessary so as to keeping those primary tethers within spec. Thus the CM/ISS could eventually become 3 km across, and as such weigh millions of tonnes, with no added impact upon the primary tethers.

The GMDE notation stands for Guth Moon Dirt Express, as opposed to the ESE (Edward's Starlight Express or Earth Space Elevator), as in the ESE being a spendy and damn risky fiasco that's still way outside of current and future technology, whereas the LSE and/or GMDE being intended to act as the foundation of the moon dirt depot and sort of ultimate transport gateway that'll support the likes of future robotics as well as manned missions, by way of allowing the efficient option of such missions taking on a sufficient amount of lunar substance(s), as composites and of mass becoming their physical shield against space radiation, and otherwise best possible defense from those pesky and somewhat lethal dust-bunnies, much less micro-meteors that simply can't be detected while on the move nor as such avoided, accomplishing all of this without their having to ever bring such tremendus mass from Earth nor ever having to land upon the hard X-Ray producing and frequently dust-bunny impacted lunar surface. As for whatever the moon isn't running itself into at 30+km/s, there's always the 1.625 m/s/s worth of lunar gravity that's insuring a reasonably good impact/m2 happens every day, if not a whole lot more often. Thus the further away from the moon the better, and of the least gravity influence the better, unless you're talking about being deep underground (tether lobby) as about the only viable lunar option there is.

Possibly there'll be a few lunar geode pockets discovered, whereas we could be snug and safe as a bug from even the larger impacts of items in the metric tonnage class that are occasionally making their lunar debut at 30+km/s (KE=.5MV2). Whereas actually a couple of tonnes worth of rock isn't all that big, especially if it's something Earth like, as in the 5 g/cc varity. Whereas just dropping such a rock from any given stationary orbit zone would offer an impressive impact to say the least.

In addition to the basic notion of the LSE-CM/ISS, there are these two fairly massive counter-rotating flywheels situated at the ME-L1 (nullification zone), whereas themselves generate almost nothing, as they merely efficiently store and subsequently distribute whatever energy had been previously directed into them.

1) since at the ME-L1 gravity-well or nullification zone, there's absolutely "NO GRAVITY", and damn near nothing else (fewest atoms), thus the size and even somewhat the shape is almost a non issue.

2) as such there's absolutely no bearing loads, since the motor/generator field portion is directly associated with one rotating mass, while the armature portion is associated with the other massive flywheel that's obviously having to rotate in exactly the opposit direction, and as such doubles upon the relative velocity as to one another, thus achieving 4 times the energy per kinetic formula.

3) the bulk of the energy going into the central motor/generator, besides whatever solar-PV, solar-sterling and/or 3He/He3 fusion, or perhaps just from plain old nuclear powered resources, might be insignificant as to what's derived by a deployed dipole element extending away from the CM/ISS situated at ME-L1.1, as this extended element is headed directly towards mother Earth, roughly 275,000 km worth of tether having a termination pod or end-point platform nearest Earth, that's capable of accommodating a few of those 100 GW laser cannons (utilized as per energy transference and/or the ultimate star-wars tit for tat solution to end all, especially nasty if those were of the invisible but internal DNA destructive UV spectrum, like the sort of weapons our Boeing/TRW Phantom Works is devising upon).

4) The opposite or perhaps alternating polarity of this tether dipole energy tap is obviously of what's tied directly to the moon by way of those basalt and silica composites, plus whatever conductive alloy associated within these anchor tethers, thus with the counter-rotating flywheels situated directly in between and made to rotate as fast or as slow as design requires, whereas their internal flywheel tonnage is yet another variable aspect comprised of good old moon dirt, of which this mass requirement can be robotically added to or quite easily subtracted on command.

5) there's also a CCM (counter counter mass) situated towards the moon, at roughly ME-L0.9 (10% lunar pull) that's obviously placed well below the counter-rotating flywheels. Besides the deployed tether dipole element that can also be utilized for orbit/gravity compensation by way of retracting and/or deploying further out, this adjustable CCM element of compensating mass offers the most interactive item that's capable of managing throughout the +/-2.75% variance associated with respect to the lunar orbit, thus the two extremely massive flywheels and even that of the primary CM/ISS at ME-L1.1 remains as per gravity regulated, and as need be regulated within reasonable limits.

6) from what I can discover upon my own, and that's certainly been all along without all that much help from others (as for my being continually on that "need to know basis" and otherwise fending off loads of their flak), it's entirely possible that as much a 5 continuous terawatts can be extracted from the lunar recession aspects alone, hopefully that's without reversing things to a point of no return. That plus whatever the solar EMF(electro magnetic force) and PS(photon sterling) inducements contribute might suggest there's as much as 10 terawatts that could become eventually the continuous energy that's at our disposal, and that's entirely without involving nuclear nor of the intriguing factors of 3He/He3 fusion.


CM = Counter Mass (300+ meter sphere, of several thousand tonnes)
CCM = Counter Counter Mass or perhaps ICM as Inner Counter Mass
CM/ISS = new ISS as that situated within the massive 300 m CM sphere
CNT = Carbon Nano Tube, or absurdly spendy and time consuming tether
GMDE = Guth Moon Dirt Express (the entire point of all this LSE quest)
GWH = Giga Watt Hours (potential energy of what the TDA can collect)
GV = GUTH Venus (discovery of life, or the remains thereof on Venus)
He3 = Helium 3 (as fuel/energy extracted from lunar surface)
LM-1 = Lunar Mobile (lunar metro bus, constructed of basalt composites)
Lunar L1+ = essentially same as ME-L1+ (L1.1 = 10% beyond ME-L1)
LSE-CM/ISS = Lunar Space Elevator (incl. CM/ISS and those flywheels)
LSE = affordable Lunar Space Elevator (or perhaps GMDE/moon dirt express)
MDE = Moon Dirt Express, or perhaps GMDE = Guth Moon Dirt Express
ME-L1.1 = 10% beyond ME-L1 (10% towards/within Earth gravity well)
ME-L1 = Moon-->Earth L1, (opposing gravity-well zero G) opposit moon L2
PS = Photons of mostly IR driving a sterling boiler of hydrogen
1 Sv = 100 rem or rad exposure (if TBI, it's less than 95% survivable)
TBI = Total Body Irradiation (1 Sv and you'll need banked bone marrow)
TDA = Tether Dipole Antenna (representing nearly unlimited energy tap)
TDE = Tether Dipole Energy (what you'll get with opposing gravity-wells)
VL2 = Venus L2 (station keeping for probes like TRACE-II or perhaps ISS)
WMD = Weapon of Mass Destruction (usually these are invisible weapons)
ESE = Earth Space Elevator (as in ultimate fiasco on steroids if there ever was)
Clumping Moon Dirt = fairy tale about something that still can't be demonstrated nor proved by anyone
Snookered = Fool on the hill, as in Borg like village idiot that still believes in said tooth fairy

Hybrid tether = any SE worthy tether comprised of various elements, such as CNT merging into Basalt, Silica then eventually into metallic alloys if need be, thus each phase suited to the loading as well as best suited element for the energy as well as harshly TBI and pulverising environment it must survive within.

This LSE isn't in place of the ESE fiasco, as the ESE group is that of an Earth to space solution which is bound to eventually work as their horrifically spendy bugs are resolved over a few decades, especially after investing hundreds of billions it had better work. Instead, the LSE is intended for the moon to space solution, and for the right here and now, at perhaps 10% the investment of the ESE, except the LSE being capable of accomplishing a thousand fold greater goals, not to mention speed and of sheer tonnage to/from the moon. Acting as a moon dirt depot for dispensing raw as well as finished composite materials and perhaps even a few processed tonnes worth of that He3 or 3He depending on how you're using such notations.

Instead of relying upon one tether anchor point as with the ESE (the all or nothing scenario) is suggesting, there's be at least two, or better yet is having three, although preferably a four tether operation is for the best. The four-way tether configuration gives us the obvious redundancy factor the four-way boost in case there's need, and otherwise a foursome of substantial lobby infrastructure that provides four underground habitats that'll survive the test of time, as well as there being four sets of tether transport pods capable of transferring to/from the primary CM/ISS that's hosting the million cubic meter ISS within. The four way tether displacement might cover perhaps 1,000 km per leg or per side, thus creating a spread of the loads and that of a nearly perfect seismic base of four instrumentation and/or lab stations capable of 3D mapping the lunar interior with great precision.

Being that the LSE utilizes local lunar inventories of basalt and perhaps silica for creating the composite tethers, and that all the necessary energy as to accomplishing this goal need not be imported, whereas all of that benefit plus the absolutely perfect atmospheric environment (lack of any atmosphere) as for creating the purest forms of basalt and silica composites, along with the 1/6th gravity (1.625 m/s/s) to start off with is what creates the ultimate resolve for this genneric tether to easily carry the demanding loads, while having an amount of redundancy per tether that'll again stand the test of time, which means being robotically repairable as dibris eventually takes it's toll upon each tether.

Unfortunately, there's a great deal going on, whereas each of the tethers would perform multiple functions, and of the CCM being continually in vertical motion and/or of ballast adjustment as to compensating for the +/- 2.75% orbital associations with mother Earth, and there's the factor of a deployed tether dipole element reaching to within 50,000 km of Earth is certainly adding a good number of variables, as well as benefits into this LSE. On top of all that, there those two flywheels (counter-rotating, of whatever diameter and mass) that would be situated at the nullification point, as in floating at zero-G, and thus capable of storing terawatts of energy.


Here are some of the other LSE related UPDATES, and there's certainly going to be more to come:
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/lunar-space-elevator.htm
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-lm-1.htm
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-lse-energy.htm
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-hybrid-irc.htm
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-lse-he3.htm
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/earth-moon-energy.htm
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/space-radiation-103.htm
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-ese-lobby.htm
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-ese-lse.htm
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-lse-gpa.htm
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-edwards-se.htm
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-se-flywheels.htm
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-cm-ccm-elevator.htm
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/moon-L1-elevator.htm
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-ese-invincible.htm
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/moon-04.htm
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-moon-radiation.htm

Besides the rather bold idea of our having to create an entirely new ISS, as otherwise there's always been the nagging thoughts of our simply relocating the likes of the existing ISS at the lunar L1+ (EM-L1), or perhaps better yet is for a quest of sending that one as going for the like of Venus L2 (VL2 being a whole lot easier [extensively planet shielded from the solar output] space environment impact upon ISS than doing the lunar L1+ without a tether attachment to something like the GMDE). Although, only after ISS obtains a few tonnes of that infamous clumping moon dirt, within an outer shell as for sufficiently surrounding itself prior to venturing towards VL2 as would seem to prove prudent for the likes of the current ISS to say the least. Once this existing ISS has been outfitted with a sufficient outer shell that'll contain the surround of said moon dirt (via the GMDE), as for obtaining those highly beneficial surrounding tonnes of that infamously clumping basalt, and thereby nicely accommodating space radiation as well as physical shielding needs, life onboard the old ISS might actually become sufficiently long-term survivable (recalling of their previously residing below the Van Allen zone of death was cutting their TBI dosage factor by at least 200:1 if not 300:1).

Although, since our Earthly magnetosphere is essentially dropping off-line like a rock, chances are that the ongoing ISS fate is doomed no matters what, at least the human survivable aspects are not looking all that great. So, possibly there'd be nothing to lose by sending ISS off to visit the wizard of Oz at Venus L2, or at least consider the lunar L1 (nullification zone) as being worth doing, as from that vantage point a simple tether could lower and raise whatever instruments and crew to/from the moon. Whereas the first instrument might be that VLA-SAR image aperture, as the ultimate astronomy look-see at the likes of Venus with 10 mm resolution, and of seeing the surface of Jupiter at perhaps 100 mm should by itself be worth doing.

Otherwise, how about that of just honestly considering the potential of creating our NExT generation ISS, as that packaged within the massive (300 meter diameter) lunar L-1.1 CM (LSE-CM/ISS) and, also within this page there's even more shock and awe weirdness to come, such as more of those confusing space elevator numbers, of quite possibly offering those far more doable solutions and of energy considerations than you can shake that flaming stick at. Plus, I've got those basic pictures or graphics of the lunar GV-CM-CCM Space Elevator, of at least representing what the first two of my primitive allusions are all about (they obviously need loads of work, such as 3D animation and surround-sound, as nicely infomercial packaged just like all those super terrific NASA moderated infomercials and NOVA productions), or perhaps I'll simply need a good half billion dollar PR/infomercial campaign fund like the "Starlight Express" team received, or as such, somewhat like the hundreds of billions invested upon selling snookered Americans on those invisible WMDs which turned out being nothing more than stealth donkey-carts. I'm not entirely certain but, I'm fairly sure that I could deliver more BANG for the almighty buck, perhaps offer an idea or two as to actually delivering one of those sought after WMD, including it's donkey.

If all else fails, there's always the potentially shocking issues of our having to deal with the ultimate Vandegraph Generator from hell, or of otherwise merely tapping gently into some of that BIG BANG energy reserves and/or lunar recession energy via tether dipole, that which may soon become the one deciding do-everything of energy delivery factor that's a whole lot more potent than we've bargained for. The extended dipole element could reach itself to within 50,000 km of Earth, hosting another small pod of perhaps an array of those 100 GW laser cannons of as little as 0.05 milliradian divergence at that.


Lunar Space Elevator and Linear Tether Considerations:
363,300 km, ME-L1 = 58,128 km, L1.1 = 63,941 km (-1738 km = 62,203 km)
405,500 km, ME-L1 = 64,880 km, L1.1 = 71,368 km (-1738 km = 69,630 km)

ME L1 = .00038995 G, EM L1 = .00038995 G, thus ME L1 - EM L1 = O G

Earth gravity influence at the CM/ISS (ME-L 1.1) sphere should be influenced by roughly 0.000304 G (+/- 0.00008 G)

BTW; if this 300 meter CM/ISS Borg like sphere were to become a mass of 50e6 t, at the Earthly gravity-well influence of .000304 G = 15.2e3 t worth of tether tension, as obviously this is where the interactive mass of the CCM comes into play, to dynamically compensate such things down to a dull roar, as either that or the deployment of the CM/ISS can obviously be something dynamically regulated by the amount of mass taken onboard and/or as for being situated closer to or further from the moon, whereas the tether dipole element deployed towards Earth plus whatever end-point mass needs to come into this equation as much as for the primary LSE tethers. Absolutely nothing gets out of the loop, at least not for issues of mass nor of energy, whereas energy in must equal energy out and/or stored, just as the tether tension per lunar gravity must balance out with the Earth gravity-well tension, else all is lost pending the capability of the tether itself.

Whatever affect upon long-term living within the core of a 50e6 t sphere is perhaps another gray area of scientific interest, as other than the inherent mineral radiation involved, of what other chemicals and/or interactions with one's body may become an entirely new realm of scientific surprises. For one thing, our biological necessities may require a bit more than .0003 G in order to coexist long term. Of course a one day trip down to the moon and you're at 0.167 G as for that duration, so that the lack of gravity sickness shouldn't be a problem.


As compared to an Earth Space Elevator and tether that's based almost entirely upon centrifugal forces, that which may tend to pendulum or go limp (lagging) without having nearly a continuous amount of energy applied (compensating for all the influence and drag of Earth's atmosphere as well as whatever tether pod loading, then also for fending off the Van Allen zone of death, plus whatever impact of those every day and night solar weather cycles), as a result their CM may even tend to waver somewhat depending upon the lunar/sun gravity influences, unless of course there is that overwhelming amount of tension involved, of somewhat horrific tension that's currently well beyond existing and even of near future technology, requiring a vapor budget that isn't even remotely in the same ballpark as reality (I'm wondering if wizard Brad Edwards has ever reviewed the Tacoma Narrows Bridge fiasco, or perhaps flown an official kite using any kind of a ribbon instead of a vastly more symmetrically aerodynamic line).

Whereas the moon based space elevator and of its tethered CM/CCM acting as a dual (opposing) gravity-well interactive partnership, whereas this sort of product is essentially without atmospheric influences and as such there's damn little if any artificial debris factors (no satellites, aircraft nor Taliban running amuck either), as well as without any Van Allen ring of solar charged particals nor having to be impacted by those charged particals of perhaps 2e6 Sv/year worth as within the zone of death itself offering this truly horrific and nearly continuous radiation flux, not to mention that the LSE is in need of but a tiny fraction of ESE tether tensioning, and of everything LSE becoming somewhat auto correcting as far as the slight amount of gravity-well CM pendulum activity is concerned.

The LSE is comprised of interactively opposing gravity-well empowered tensioning factors, relatively stable at that, so as to be staying put within 2.75%, as well as staying sufficiently taut as further regulated by way of shifting about the lunar dirt itself (of which by the way we don't have to bother producing nor launching a single kg from Earth), thus creating a dynamically tethered CM that's essentially auto-regulated by way of the interactive CCM compensation, perhaps even further benefitted by all of this technology becoming more than sufficiently dipole element energised, with potentially giga watts if not tera watts of essentially free energy, of easily stored energy within counter-rotating flywheels situated and regulated to remain at the ME-L1 null (situated roughly halfway between the CM and CCM). The TDA element deployed towards Earth can even perform other duties besides collecting upon energy, as deployment of this facet alone may be utilized as yet another tether tension stabilizing and thereby pendulum damping consideration, as well as for tethering the nearest to Earth instrument and/or laser cannon platform, perhaps regulated to within 50,000 km of Earth.

If a static or passive sort of individual lunar space elevator tether were left to the gravitational whims of whatever Earth and the Sun can influence, then indeed the lunar SE/CM will gradually wander itself about, sort of a 27 day swing within a relatively narrow path or ally. However, if we utilized the maximum Moon-->Earth L-1.1 as our CM starting off point, it only seems logical that it's stability becomes a done deal, as this lunar L-1.1 tether varies itself (mostly it's linear tension aspects) due to those obviously gravity aligned Earth/moon proximity changes of 5.5%, that which occur reliably throughout every lunar cycle. So that if anything, the tether tension will only increase as every lunar cycle places the moon close to Earth, then obviously returning itself to the initial tension upon residing at maximum Earth/moon distances, thus further damping whatever the solar/Earth influences and thereby subsequently diminishing the overall pendulum freedom.

It seems to this village idiot, if the L-1.1 can only modestly increase upon tether tensioning as the moon travels itself closer to Earth by roughly 5.5%, as equally then, as that CM pendulum varies itself the least bit off axis, there should be a measurably as well as desirably lesser gravitational tension imposed (that's certainly seems like a perfectly desirable stability trait, and not the least bit destabilising as I was being so rudely informed by all of those incest Borg ESE huggers).

So, the truth of whom is kidding whom has truly been on the shoulders of those promoting the likes of the ESE or bust fiasco, as time after time I've identified upon their disinformation running seriously amuck throughout their pro-everything (their way or else) campaign, thus truth isn't even in the eye of the beholder anymore because, there was no intended truth as being offered in the first place, at least not that was founded upon even reasonably skewed laws of physics. I mean, damn near anything is possible, baring cost and time, of which humanity has neither, especially after the last round of dog wagging shock and awe that has created so much carnage of the innocent.

In terms of minimizing and/or damping the potential pendulum activity; It appears as though by having a center gravitational pull-pull, such as a dual gravity-well alignment that's offering somewhat greater than of something being the least bit off center, that this factor alone is suggesting a rather good thing. The only bad aspect seems to be with regard to the limits of tension that a given tether or set of tethers can withstand, though even that aspect seems to have been well within existing basalt composite technology for accommodating such a lunar tether, and can otherwise be managed quite nicely with what's at hand. I mean to say, as the tether exits itself away from the lunar surface, starting off at a mere 1/6th gravity and by the square of the radius distance becoming lighter (actually there's yet another added gravity reduction when that distance is specifically in the alignment/direction of mother Earth), thus I'm thinking that perhaps even certain alloy steels could more than accommodate such loads and, most certainly of materials like those of BASALT fibers have been way more than sufficient as is.

Hybrid tethers (why go all CNT or even all BASALT or nothing?): As for the LSE, there's the idea of converting or transferring the basalt fiber tether into a metallic alloy once reaching as little as 3r, as that's roughly 1/10th of the starting gravity from that point on, in other confusing words of 1/60th G, whereas I believe even 2r offers at the very least 1/25th G, where obviously we have several alloys which can takeover from that 2r point on, thus the likes of any tether dipole antenna element can remain just as conductive and amperage capable as need be. As for the ESE on the other hand, this tether obtains no gravity-well advantage, and may need at least 3r before converting their spendy CNT fibers over to something other like perhaps basalt, and only then going into metallic from perhaps 6r, whereas at least in that way the outer most Van Allen zone of death will only have the task of impacting upon some seriously tough alloys, rather than of horrifically spendy CNT that probably couldn't take on the sort of gauntlet the Van Allen zone of death has to offer anyway.

As for interactively compensating the linear distance from the moon to the L-1.1 CM via the CCM is certainly another perfectly understandable method of achieving a nearly constant tension. As one feasible method is to employ an interactive sort of dynamic CCM on the lunar gravity-well side of this equation and, even somewhat better yet is, what if this CCM were also interactively capable of itself doing most of the work of compensating the linear distance of the L-1.1, by pulling inward and/or releasing upon those tether cables, thus we achieve a dual function (two of those SE birds hammered with one basalt stone or perhaps clumping basalt dirt in this instance), by which this leverage process essentially moderates the primary CM tether to within a percent of the desired tension, not that a 10% variance in tension couldn't be tolerated.

Deploying the TDA; since obviously this dipole element is an extension from the CM/ISS that's headed directly towards Earth, potentially if necessary reaching past the Van Allen zone of death (a run out of 267,240 km), thereby whatever amount of TDA can be utilized to influence the tension requirements of tensioning things towards Earth, as obviously this is to become directly proportional to the deployed distance as well as the end-point termination mass of this portion of the TDA element. Within the LSE-CM/ISS, for creating and storage of such a TDA deployment technology is certainly within the capabilities of what such as massive CM/ISS sphere could accommodate.

BTW; since there's been such a consensus of wizards claiming that the moon is receding from Earth (rather than Earth shrinking), it seems like we should be doing something about that. Such as, creating this rather massive lunar SE offering a CM and ISS within, plus TDA extension as soon as possible, as well as sucking out as much of the in between space energy as possible, thus imposing a microscopic retarding of the lunar orbit, so as to subdue the lunar orbit into submission, thus gathering our mutual gravity wells back into as near of absolute balance as possible. If in fact the moon, as massive as it is, is being accelerated along in order to not only sustain it's orbit in spite of the 30+km/s worth of friction, but as to leaving Earth by those 38 mm/year, then obviously there a truly horrific amount of gravitational kinetic if not electromagnetic, and/or of whatever infused solar plasma energy that can be tapped into.

This is not me trying to be "all knowing", more like being honestly "all inquisitive" as to the potentials that appear to exist before our eyes. Although this obviously excludes those of NASA having white canes and that of a good dog.

Thereby, I do believe this lunar space elevator, along with it's CM/ISS and interactive CCM application (lunar gravity well compensation), is so much more than a perfectly darn good thing for humanity and Earth sciences because, it's going to be relatively moon dirt cheap to construct and/or to implement, the CCM needing little artificial energy itself, should be of low maintenance and if anything, it's compensating and variable mass should greatly subdue whatever is left of any (if any) CM/ISS oscillations, at least I can't foresee nor have I heard from others, as to how this method of compensation would make things any worse off. By utilizing the same clumping moon dirt that's already being stashed away in the CM/ISS, as sort of a buffer bank or cash for the CCM, the CCM taking from and/or returning this nifty substance to/from the CM/ISS will essentially affect the CCM as well as the CM mass, and thereby resulting tether tension regulation. As ballast substances tend to go, especially of anything having to be placed into lunar orbit, this one is literally "moon dirt cheap", and of being way more than just a little handy.


Speaking a little further upon energy demands; What do we actually have to work with, besides the obvious solutions of solar PV energy, including Sterling thermal energy conversion, and of whatever a good nuclear power plant can deliver?

In order to power this space elevator and of the massive ISS within the CM, for the benefit of operating those tether cables in a conveyer fashion and/or of energising all those various pods at speeds of at least 1000 km/hr is going to take something, though obviously not 1/36th the energy of doing anything similar by way of any ESE delivery into a horrifically TBI GSO, being that's there's no lunar atmospheric friction getting in the way and there's but 1/6th the gravity to start off with, are certainly good-for-go attributes on behalf of accomplishing any LSE duties, as opposed to otherwise accomplishing any ESE goals that we don't even have adequate alloys nor other technologies of those spendy CNT to accomplish such in the first place, nor any of those rather serious bucks.

Space Battery (tethered anode/cathode dipole);
This thought (all three cells worth) of energy keeps coming to mind, of what sort of potential there is going to be created by the mere existence of those opposing gravity-well CM/CCM cables (possibly 13,000 km worth) situated between the CM/ISS and of the CCM, not to mention whatever the considerable surface areas of the CM/ISS and CCM spheres are worth collecting, along with whatever potential energy may be inducted into the primary surfaces of those primary tethers.

As energy sources and/or resources tend to go, it seems that of any space battery or energy collector potential that's essentially providing an anode/cathode (of what a gravity polarised dipole configuration might suggest) that's extremely well insulated and empowered by receiving cosmic as well as solar radiation (a bulk of mostly solar electro magnetic flux or EMF), is going to become about as good as it's ever going to get, unless of what's driving the moon away from Earth is even greater than the 5 terawatts. All that we need to do is figure out how to tap into and effectively store that potential without getting ourselves absolutely fried in the process.

Until I'm made aware of alternatives, or become sufficiently smart enough to figure it all out for myself, I'll try to receive in good faith whatever it is you've got for solutions, in the best of considerations of applying that information or expertise towards resolving what is obtainable within the realm of what's humanly doable. Mean while, I'll keep making a few improvements the previous space elevator summary page that includes those two initial drawings of what this dyslexic mind has been attempting to convey. However, if my form of documentation encryption is more taxing than your abilities can figure out, then I'll just have to make do with whatever my remaining three brain cells can deliver on their own, plus the talents of those more capable but not holding down the prestigious titles of knowing all there is to know, such as those folks claiming as being so ESE smart, yet oddly unable to understand that I'm basically a whole lot more right than not.

BTW; If you're out and about looking for scientific notation perfection, for absolute math or even for reasonable syntax, forget it, this is still not the place. For obtaining such polished perfection in politically correct grammar and of all those proper suck-up terminologies of politically correct physics and science, for that quest of thoroughly moderated data you'll need to access those terrifically enhanced infomercials and countless spiffy web pages of NASA, thousands of them, where there's all sorts of such terrific graphics, 3D animation and surround-sound packaging, as well as skewed history and skewed physics that'll knock your snookered socks off. As infomercial sites tend to go, there's absolutely nothing that remotely comes close to what those rusemasters of NASA/NSA/DoD have achieved, whereas I'll suppose, if I had all of 1% of their infomercial budget, then I too could accomplish a similar "knock your socks off" delivery. Unfortunately, all the polish in the world isn't going to alter the facts nor influence one iota upon the honest laws of physics nor logic, it'll just provide the sorts of entertainment value that other village idiots as well as snookered taxpayers can better appreciate.

Speaking of physics 101;  Exactly how much tether tension is within our existing fiber technology, this is obviously something supposedly already known by others and, someday I'll learn what that number or qualifier is all about, as well as exactly where to place the lunar surface anchor(s) and subsequently establishing the final CM placement. Of how much mass and of placement is also not one of my expertise, though if left entirely to my own village idiot devices, some day I'll learn enough as to stipulate upon such things. Of exactly how much energy and from which resources this lunar space elevator will need to draw upon, this too I'm not your resident expert but, if given no other feedback I'll eventually propose what I believe are the boundaries and/or qualifiers that'll make such things happen. Most certainly there's no ESE/LSE contest, as that of any lunar space elevator will enable far greater things to be accomplished, while accommodating all of that within existing technology as well as not per delivery tonnage likely costing 1% that of any distant future Earth space elevator that's more likely just another NASA sponsored dog-wagging and otherwise moderated to death fiasco than not.

I'm not exactly certain but, I do tend to believe that achieving the initial LSE goals upon a 10% ESE investment, and of doing such today, as opposed to that costing 100% of the hundreds of billions of what an ESE will require of some day in the far off and ever spendier future, is offering a rather significant cost savings, not to mention upon the fact that we can actually accomplish this task, as of right here and now, as well as benefit from the rather enormous reduction in artificial CO2 production that'll be eliminated from otherwise having to launch all that much of anything from Earth, such as for placing those same hundreds or thousands of tonnes of radiation shielding (Earth space elevator or not) into any Earthly GSO is simply not going to be worth all the global warming CO2 penalty, nor perhaps the overall risk of induced carnage as a result of whatever doesn't quite make it into orbit or simply doesn't want to stay there without having to implement a great deal of further energy expenditures, all of which having to be derived from Earth, somehow as though we've got such energy to spare, with lots of room for more of that artificial CO2 to boot.


GV-CM-CCM Lunar Space Elevator Plan-A


GV-CM-CCM Lunar Space Elevator Plan-B


I'll suppose, if this lunar space elevator in fact represents the best solution for that of obtaining future radiation and debris shielding, as well as for an unlimited resources of energy that'll also provide for our NExT generation of ISS, I'll have to ask of all those opposing just about everything under the sun (especially if it's not their idea); of what the hell else is there that's in greater need of space research related development?

In spite of what the ESE huggers are having to say against the LSE; Without all that much medication, even this village idiot can think of all sorts of utilizations and alternatives that we simply can't accomplish without having a good LSE, several portions of which we'll still be unable to accomplish squat with only the likes of any ESE concept, that's besides the fact that most of us will be either flat broke and/or long dead and gone before their first ESE ride takes place. Good grief folks, and all you snookered Americans; how much simpler and more cost effective and thereby obtainable does this Lunar Space Elevator (LSE-CM/ISS) opportunity have to get?

Calling Venus via laser cannon

Within any morally cost conscious space research/exploration relationships, as to accomplishing much of anything towards establishing our portion of the Venus L2 (VL2) robotic communications relay platform, that's somewhat like deploying the TRACE-II format that I've previously mentioned at least dozens of times. Even though at 10% the impact of the ESE fiasco, this LSE remains a horrifically spendy thing in relationship to deploying numerous robotic probes, whereas the LSE taking at least another spendy decade as to implement, whereas accomplishing just about anything on behalf of Venus has been here and now for way more than a decade, or rather somewhat like utilizing our moon, Venus has actually been here and now for more than a few decades worth of our stupified and otherwise dumbfounded arrogance from all those folks supposedly having "the right stuff". Just as I've stipulated for nearly the past three years worth, the planet Venus is not only sufficiently shielded, energy empowered and thereby way more than capable of being alive in more ways than you or I can count, but also residing entirely within our local laser area code and, it simply doesn't get much better than that.

Perhaps the only sort of "right stuff" these ESE hugging and otherwise Apollo huggung fools and snookered incest Borgs actually have going, is of what's in their pants half the time.


The Venus Energiser Bunny never had it so good

A little more feedback on lunar energy; as a simple space battery perspective, besides the generated potential that's most likely available between the CM and the CCM, much of this space energiser bunny energy resource could arrive by way of that dipole antenna/collector that's utilizing the rather substantial mass of the CM/ISS itself, plus of whatever the interconnected CCM and then obviously all of the roughly 70,000 km worth of those multiple primary tethers to/from the lunar surface, then certainly the moon itself as being perchance Mr. Negative (cathode). While we simply deploy from the already Earth bound gravity influenced CM/ISS, that of a substantially free or lightly gravity loaded tether dipole element as affording the Mr. Positive (anode) space battery element consideration, representing the opposing antenna dipole element of the negative LSE-CM/ISS portion. As for doing such, we should be taping into the ultimate of cosmic charged electrolyte that'll power-up a whole lot more than a few of those EMPD thrusters and/or GW class laser cannons.

Instead of pulling a mere 1.5 kw as was the case with the energy surge that quickly terminated the shuttle tether experiment, we should be pulling out mega watts if not GW to as much as TW/hr, as the surface area and length of the Earth polarity dipole (anode) element is certainly offering an unlimited contribution of energy, as well is that polarity being most likely pre established by the opposing gravity-well and/or tidal gravity issues and, certainly the moon itself should offer itself as way more than an adequate cathode element.

We certainly could be talking about pulling thousands of amps at millions of volts under load.

If you had such unlimited energy, say tera joules as derived from the tether dipole itself, as then of what's possible to accomplish on or near the moon is in fact another done deal, except for some minor difficulty in locating crew replacements for all of those dead electricians that may have tried to reset those tera energy distribution circuit breakers and got totally fried by tera watts worth of surplus tether energy.

I'm thinking, if the primary load and/or load bank ever became an open circuit, there's going to be loads of pure hell to pay with regard to seeing rather enormous voltage differentials passing through the LSE-CM/ISS infrastructure, as hopefully on there way into those massive flywheels situated in the absolute nullification zone of ME-L1.

As for one perfectly smart submission/feedback was for utilizing some rather substantial flywheels as tether energy storage units, as otherwise I'll oppose implementing a few EMPD thrusters in opposition could certainly dispose of whatever is in energy excess, otherwise the process of simply moving some of that nifty moon dirt to/from the CM and the surface, or perhaps just transporting such mass between the CM and of the CCM, or the prospect of powering up those 100 GW laser cannons should sheer off the upper voltage potential to some manageable level, of which our existing technology can safely manage to deal with. Unless there's load, those flywheels are going to have to discharge energy and/or explode from receiving and thereby obtaining too much speed, thus electromagnetic breaking could become yet another alternative for regulating those massive counter rotating elements, though that's converting such energy into pure heat that'll also need to go somewhere.

BTW; flywheels located at near zero gravity of nearly any dimension are certainly possible and, if those were seriously loaded with moon dirt at 3410 kg/m3, say of something of 100 meters in diameter, perhaps a circumference placement volume of at least 1000 m3 should represent a fairly respectable initial amount of energy storage. That's only 3.41^6 kg of mass that's counter-rotating rotating at perhaps 10 RPM, or how about a zippy 1000 RPM for supposedly 10,000 times as much storage capacity. If said flywheels were positioned exactly at ME-L1, their mechanical properties could certainly become rather substantial without adversely affecting the primary CM/ISS instillation or of the CCM. In order to infuse and/or extract said energy (presumably multi-tera joules worth), these flywheel elements will have to be opposing (counter-rotating) flywheels, thus a minimum of two flywheel units makes for 6.82^6 kg worth of mass in motion, and if opposing makes the 10 rpm into 20 rpm relative to each other (I believe that's creating another 4 fold energy storage improvement), which at least for starters certainly should do the trick.

Since I'm not noe of those "all knowing" flywheel experts, having no idea whatsoever as to how much energy storage potential that actually is but, I'll just bet it's one heck of a lot more than quite a much, as in perhaps at least GW/hr if not TW/hr worth.

If we're not careful, this lunar CM/ISS (1e6 m3 worth of extremely well shielded habitat abode within the 300 meter sphere) could soon become the ultimate tether dipole energy hub of the likes of ENRON on steroids, and accommodating upon various ways of distributing that much energy is just the ticket as to kicking the Arab oil cartel for good.


Actively Thrust Stabilizing an otherwise highly dynamic lunar LSE/CM

This is where I may have slipped another cog, by utilizing my dyslexic encryption shorthand notation of at first I was implying a need for EMPD or large ION type thrusters. According to these following page(s), I somehow got the impression that it's quite possible, utilizing Lithium or perhaps Xenon and of the MPD or EMPD as to achieve an exhaust velocity of 40+ km/s (supposedly creating double that using the EMPL format), along with a fairly respectful 100,000 N/m2. Though a test cell of 22 cm diameter has only obtained 400 N/m2 from 200 KW, thus 2 MW = 4,000 N/m2 and 25 MW should deliver 50,000 N/m2, and perhaps so on until the entire thruster array explodes.

Dividing that EMPD 40+km/s in half is suggesting a forward velocity of 20+km/s

Another thought about rocket engine fuel: instead of implementing spendy lithium and/or xenon, plus the fact that we'll have to launch and deliver such substances to the lunar LSE-CM/ISS (that effort of processing and subsequently delivering such will only be contributing even more CO2 for Earth), why not just utilize some of that clumping basalt moon dirt again. After all, if we're merely electrifying/ionizing and thereby flinging out whatever substances at horrific speeds (somewhat exactly like a particle accelerator), then we might as well be using up lunar basalt as anything, especially since the supply of such is sort of clumping-mood-dirt cheap and available, as well as unlimited.

I've also learned that the general composition of what makes up our moon is on average at least twice as radioactive as Earth soil and rock (that's not even referring to secondary cosmic radiation issues nor anything He3), and that the lunar core has been way more than toasty hot, as in possibly nuclear generated and/or sustained sort of hot, thereby pockets of sufficient nuclear grade elements may be just sitting there, as in easily accessible right under all that nifty clumping moon dirt. Which just might further explain why all those Apollo lunar terrain images were never capable of imaging the true darkenss of an otherwise mostly basalt soil and rock geology, thus their nearly 55% reflective index was simply skewed away from the actual average of 11% by all of the surrounding soil radiation, and must have been why absolutely none of the volcanic 5%~7% reflective lunar product was ever located, and perhaps also why none of those dark basalt yet unusually lightweight rocks ever made it back to Earth, and most likely why not one pattern of those near-UV and UV/a vibrant stars was ever associated along with any lunar terrain. Just because none of that seems the least bit reasonable nor logical, perhaps that's all the better reason for the rest of us to believe that a good many laws of physics and of the science simply do not apply to the moon, or much of anywhere other than right here on Earth.

EMPD thrust seems to have become rather noteworthy;
I've learned that using such an efficient thruster technology is not only a worthy consideration of it's being more than sufficiently powerful but, that it offers an infinitely variable form of thrust, thereby absolutely no introduction of acceleration harmonics nor structural stress as associated with the sorts of typical re-boost that's currently utilized to maintain the required ISS speed and thereby altitude.

http://www.aip.org/tip/INPHFA/vol-6/iss-5/p16.pdf MPD applied for high thrust; where exhaust velocities of 40 km/s or more are obtained and, seemingly of relatively high thrust density, whereas in theory offering as much as 100,000 N/m2. Energy wise, it's been reported that only about 15% of their input energy goes into waste heat. Thus a potential of sustaining 20+km/s worth of craft velocity seems possible, although it seems we'll be in need of at least 3,000 km/s (1% ls) if we're going outside of or solar system.

A few other pages associated with combined high thrust NTP and of lower thrust MPD or EMPD of Interplanetary Transfer Systems Utilizing Zero-boiloff Solid Lithium Propellant.
http://www.highway2space.com/ast/abstracts/7D_Donahue.html
http://www.highway2space.com/ast/presentations/5d_mikel.pdf
http://www.lerc.nasa.gov/WWW/RT2000/5000/5430lapointe.html

Doubling your bang for your buck, Push/Push EMPL seems like it's rather doable:
I've recently identified another somewhat "out of this world" rocket energy propulsion scheme that seems to at least double upon whatever ION, EMP or EMPD has to offer, as well as for doubling other formats of propulsion NTP. EMPL is equally beyond my knowledge of what's possible but, at this point, what do we have to lose? http://www.androidpubs.com/prod02.htm

Perhaps it's been this EMPL consideration that's responsible for pushing our moon away from Earth, as otherwise it would certainly require some rather substantial energy in order to not only sustain the lunar orbit, but as for accelerating it is certainly a perfectly good job for something exactly like what this EMPL formula demonstrates.


If in fact this lunar space elevator represents the best all around solution for obtaining future mission radiation and physical shielding, for accommodating the NExT (1^6 m3) ISS, as well as for obtaining an unlimited resource of energy, I'll have to ask; what else is there possibly that's in greater need of research and obtainable development?


ESE verses the GUTH MOON DIRT EXPRESS (GMDE), and those Flywheels of Tether Energy

Regarding another typical ESE or bust infomercial from: Bob Munck
"For example, at 18,000 km -- half-way up -- gravity is down to .07 g. If at that point you can switch from 200 kph rollers to 1000 kph magnetics, you cut three days from the trip."

My reply was; If the half way point of your ESE is 18,000 km, then 36,000 km is certainly residing yourself right smack in the middle of Dr. Van Allen's zone of death, as such you'd be receiving a TBI dosage as based upon only 2e3 Sv/year while situated behind 2 g/cm2 and, that's not actually including any significant solar maximum contributions per say, just your typical annual environment + whatever else comes along.

Shielding requirements, such as those currently utilized for the likes of ISS, for spending any amount of time at the future ESE depot in the sky are going to be rather limited to hours unless you're surrounded by several hundred g/cm2, and/or have your stash of banked bone marrow standing by. I for one would start off at creating a surround of a full meter worth of moon rock and dirt (341 g/cm2), a longer stay (months) might require a habitat surrounded by as much as 3 meters worth (1024 g/cm2). Per m3 we're at the mass of 3410 kg or 3.41 t/m3. Exactly how much cost and energy that sort of mass can be delivered via ESE is perhaps some day going to be doable, but certainly not cheap nor without creating large amounts of CO2 for the process of having to extract and thereby export that much from Earth, so why even bother?.

For just the initial LSE-CM/ISS phase; I'm thinking that a 10x10x10 meter ESE/ISS abode interior will subsequently require at least 728 m3, 728 * 3.41 = 2482.5 t, that is if you're going for a modest shield surround density of equal or better than 341 g/m2. From that point on the situation only improves, until that ISS becomes 1e6 m3 as situated within the 300 meter sphere of the LSE-CM.

Whereas a little further regarding the energy to accomplish things;
I believe the LSE by default offers the sorts of energy to accommodate such terrific lifting, as potentially available via TDA and of solar PV as well as solar sterling energy conversions, and of all of that horrific energy being quite nicely stored via substantial flywheels. Being that the Van Allen zone of death most likely holds all sorts of electro-magnetic energy potential, there actually should not be any shortages of energy for the ESE (way too much if anything), and it's even conceivably possible for the LSE tether dipole element extension if need be eventually reach into Earth's Van Allen zone, so there too we've got the power to burn, though what one could actually due with so many tera watts may not a yet be fully appreciated and/or understood, but I'm sure if there's the likes of ENRON, there's always a way of capitalizing upon the subject of energy.

Here's another update upon tether dipole energy, as well as for accommodating whatever taken from PV and/or sterling thermal energy conversion, affording ample storage thereof, as to making everything run is essential:
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-se-flywheels.htm, whereas this topic obviously needs your expertise input, and otherwise loads of medications on my behalf, as I simply can't seem to identify anything that's so terribly wrong with the idea, as I certainly didn't invent the flywheel, nor of the counter-rotating solution, nor of magnetic bearings, certainly not the motor/generator as being within the massive hub and, whatever zero gravity as well as near absolute zero atmosphere has to add into the enormous benefits is certainly not my doing. Putting these factors altogether as for accommodating the LSE energy storage solution is however my focus, as there's seemingly nothing whatsoever to lose, and just about everything you can possibly imagine to gain.

The only measurable type of loss has already been regarding the sorts of talents going into an already badly plugged space toilet, the sorts of terrific talents that belong to folks that can't otherwise seem to work outside of their NASA box, as such borgs or even perfectly nice folks can't seem to admit as to how snookered we've all become, and thus will not even on their death bed alter their positions, seemingly regardless of whatever immoral implications and consequences, and/or potential for otherwise continuing along the most recent course of world domination carnage that our previous and continuing ways of doing things has inflicted upon humanity, including ourselves. So, it's been and may likely remain business as usual, whereas the "mainstream status quo" shal live on and on just like the likes of ENRON, MicroSoft, WorldCom and of the likes or reincarnations of Arthur Andersen, as well as for NASA justifying upon their ESE or bust fiasco, as well as whatever other button pushing and subsequent shock and awe worth of dog wagging that it takes.


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